£6.1m Lottery funding secured for Edinburgh and Helensburgh parks
January 15 2016
At Saughton Park the cash will be used to explore the possibility of installing a ground source heating system below playing fields to heat nearby public buildings as well as reinstatement of a bandstand, restoration of the Walled Garden and a new events space and café.
Hermitage Park meanwhile will benefit from a new pavilion, restoration of an A-listed war memorial, Japanese garden and wishing well in addition to a new sports facility and children’s play area.
Policy Lead for Infrastructure at Argyll & Bute Council, Helensburgh-based Councillor Ellen Morton, commented: ‘’Following on from the completion of the town centre regeneration project last year, which has given the town a real boost, this is yet more good news.
‘’While this is, of course, happy news and is to be warmly welcomed, it is tinged with sadness following the untimely death of our project architect, local man Gareth Hoskins. Aged just 48, Gareth was one of the country’s most respected architects and has been involved in Argyll and Bute Council projects for a number of years. Our thoughts go out to his family at this difficult time and we can only hope that the redeveloped park will stand as a testament to him.’’
Sutherland Hussey Harris are architects of the Saughton Park pavilion (pictured) working in collaboration with Ironside Farrar, Richard Shorter Architect and David Narro Associates. Gillespies will deliver the wider regeneration of Hermitage Park.
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#2 Posted by Bill S on 15 Jan 2016 at 10:52 AM
Beautiful scheme, well worth a look at the Sutherland Hussey Harris website to see more of the proposals.
Doubting Thomas, can you not see the partially visible sky hooks? In all seriousness, have a look at the Marseille Vieux Port by Foster + Partners for a good precedent in how thin the end of a roof canopy can be engineered.
Doubting Thomas, can you not see the partially visible sky hooks? In all seriousness, have a look at the Marseille Vieux Port by Foster + Partners for a good precedent in how thin the end of a roof canopy can be engineered.
#3 Posted by CadMonkey on 15 Jan 2016 at 12:58 PM
How long do you think that lead roof will remain intact?
#4 Posted by brinksmat on 15 Jan 2016 at 13:50 PM
ssssh cad monkey I've already got a buyer....
#5 Posted by Doubting Thomas on 15 Jan 2016 at 17:22 PM
Dear Bill S,
Yes, funnily enough, I was fortunate enough to see that last year but, where's the (substantive) columns? Where's the ring beam to avoid the deflection on the glass? Where's the bracing? There must be more steel in that roof void than I've had hot dinners. Code 5 lead is ton weight as well.
Of course, there is artistic licence, but some of us lesser mortals still have to contend with the laws of physics.
Can we be told?
Yes, funnily enough, I was fortunate enough to see that last year but, where's the (substantive) columns? Where's the ring beam to avoid the deflection on the glass? Where's the bracing? There must be more steel in that roof void than I've had hot dinners. Code 5 lead is ton weight as well.
Of course, there is artistic licence, but some of us lesser mortals still have to contend with the laws of physics.
Can we be told?
#6 Posted by Anon on 19 Jan 2016 at 12:13 PM
Dear Doubting Thomas,
Jealous much?
I would add to the point put across by Bill S and suggest a more thorough look at their website. In particular I would take a look at the built projects in comparison to the pre-construction renders. I've rarely seen a more like for like comparison of 'artistic' impression and constructed reality in contemporary architecture, never mind in our own parochial backwaters.
Also, who said the roof was lead and not zinc?
Jealous much?
I would add to the point put across by Bill S and suggest a more thorough look at their website. In particular I would take a look at the built projects in comparison to the pre-construction renders. I've rarely seen a more like for like comparison of 'artistic' impression and constructed reality in contemporary architecture, never mind in our own parochial backwaters.
Also, who said the roof was lead and not zinc?
#7 Posted by Bill S on 20 Jan 2016 at 09:10 AM
In the interest of "on-the-topic" conversation, if people wish to view the planning application then the drawings are available for public perusal on reference: 15/04545/FUL
Of particular interest in the aforementioned conversation are the sections, in which the notes refer to a "standing seam zinc roof" (not lead as intimated above, hence a weight saving in loading). In addition, drawing "13) sections sc-05 + sc-06" shows an indicative building section through what I understand to be the new build pavilion, and it becomes clear the difference between the structural elements of the roof, and the zone where the overhanging fascia will be detailed.
Finally, the Engineers on this job are pretty damn good - so all in all I am expecting good things.
Of particular interest in the aforementioned conversation are the sections, in which the notes refer to a "standing seam zinc roof" (not lead as intimated above, hence a weight saving in loading). In addition, drawing "13) sections sc-05 + sc-06" shows an indicative building section through what I understand to be the new build pavilion, and it becomes clear the difference between the structural elements of the roof, and the zone where the overhanging fascia will be detailed.
Finally, the Engineers on this job are pretty damn good - so all in all I am expecting good things.
#8 Posted by Doubting Thomas on 20 Jan 2016 at 10:43 AM
Dear Bill S and Anon,
Thank you for pointing out the planning drawings to me. Sorry for going on, but
on looking at the cross-section, i am still not persuaded/convinced that the structural engineers have looked at this structure in detail prior to it being submitted for planning.
Like an odd 'architects' drawing, there is a note about a 150x75 galv. steel channel as a gutter that appears to 'float' in thin air. The design section just looks hopelessly 'thin'.
And then when i look in detail at the ground floor plan I see there are no structural columns at all along the glazing line! How is this structure held up? My gripe is kidology.
As I said, maybe someone in David Narro may wish to settle this. I have no doubt of their brilliance as engineers, but for me, there is still a lack of physical substance to these representations.
Thank you for pointing out the planning drawings to me. Sorry for going on, but
on looking at the cross-section, i am still not persuaded/convinced that the structural engineers have looked at this structure in detail prior to it being submitted for planning.
Like an odd 'architects' drawing, there is a note about a 150x75 galv. steel channel as a gutter that appears to 'float' in thin air. The design section just looks hopelessly 'thin'.
And then when i look in detail at the ground floor plan I see there are no structural columns at all along the glazing line! How is this structure held up? My gripe is kidology.
As I said, maybe someone in David Narro may wish to settle this. I have no doubt of their brilliance as engineers, but for me, there is still a lack of physical substance to these representations.
#9 Posted by Bill S on 21 Jan 2016 at 18:08 PM
Dear Doubting Thomas,
Are you sure you looked at the right plan? There are about 3 online, and the relevant ones to this pavilion (either "05 gf plan of new build" looking to the middle left of the drawing, or "06 cafe plan" top of the drawing) show a series of square section columns (admittedly in grey) behind the glazing line!
Also, I honestly have no affiliation with said Engineers, but if you check out what they did for Ewan Cameron Architects for the pavilion at Capel Manor you will see a very similar detail, both inside and out. Again, I have every confidence in this scheme being worked out prior to the planning application being made.
Are you sure you looked at the right plan? There are about 3 online, and the relevant ones to this pavilion (either "05 gf plan of new build" looking to the middle left of the drawing, or "06 cafe plan" top of the drawing) show a series of square section columns (admittedly in grey) behind the glazing line!
Also, I honestly have no affiliation with said Engineers, but if you check out what they did for Ewan Cameron Architects for the pavilion at Capel Manor you will see a very similar detail, both inside and out. Again, I have every confidence in this scheme being worked out prior to the planning application being made.
#10 Posted by Doubting Thomas on 21 Jan 2016 at 22:34 PM
Dear Bill S,
Well, there you have it! Consider my hat eaten!
I must've been under the cosh of CYA Engineers all those years then. Thank you for showing me the light!
Well, there you have it! Consider my hat eaten!
I must've been under the cosh of CYA Engineers all those years then. Thank you for showing me the light!
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