Great.

Can we do Dumbarton road next please? It's a disgrace.

A connection between the new bridge & QEUH / University of Glasgow medipark will be very welcome.

This weeks number -- the percentage of users on the city's cycle infrastructure that are delivering food?

New very high cost cycling infrastructure running past schools losing teachers and funding -- not a good look.

Hobby horsing at its worst.

Give it a rest FBOT, every cycle courier delivering food is one less car that's delivering food. It's just as valuable to provide infrastructure for that use case as cycle commuters. As for the cost, you wouldn't bat an eye if they were proposing to resurface the road at a similar cost.
It's time to get off your own hobby horse and find a new website to make your dreary proclamations towards.

Cycle lanes in Govan -- £800K contract for the consultants to get things moving.

Great work if you can get it.

I wonder what the budget will be for the actual work?

Does the Council need consultants to do everything?

These middle class cycle lanes are of no use to the majority of Scots and rarely used outside of sunny days. Glasgow is a ridiculously low sun high rain city and simply is a very very poor place to cycle.

#6, Glasgow is drier than both Aberdeen and Edinburgh according to the climate statistics from the last ten years....are people there complaining about active travel projects because of the weather? Furthermore, Amsterdam has around 80% of the annual rainfall that Glasgow has, and it certainly hasn't impacted how much the Dutch cycle as a means of transport. Glasgow is Scotland's largest - and most polluted - city, and any infrastructure that will reduce vehicle emissions should be welcomed.

Once again FBOT you're exposing your ignorance. £800K of consultant costs for 20km of bike lanes is less than £40 per linear meter. Consultations for road repairs/developments are easily four times that. I do agree that having an in-house team to handle the cycle lane rollout would be more cost effective.

Sven; ask a cyclist what they do when it's raining and they'll show you their rain jacket. Some people may be turned off by the weather, but it's not a reason to discount cycling: 1/3rd of the journeys from the Gorbal's street bridge to Queen's Park this year were by bicycle. I wonder if that has anything to do with the bike lane running between them?

£800K is the consultants fees for the bike lanes going into Govan -- 4 main elements currently highlighted..

The 20KM you mention is for the whole city and probably bits outside.

There will not be 20KM of bike lanes in Govan.
There are probably not 20KM of streets in Govan total.

The Govan network is put at 'around' 20km - not sure if that is clockwise plus anti-clockwise.
https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/article/10906/First-look-at-Greater-Govan-s-active-travel-network-plans

The City Network is 'around' 270km.

#10 / UR

Fair point with the 20KM within Govan ...
Two east west routes plus three and a half north south routes -- I'm sure it must all add up.

Just a case of where will the cars go -- car ownership is on the up and social housing areas are starting to burst at the seams.

Add in the mobile chicane bus stops -- they stop / traffic stops -- and things could get messy.

Sauchiehall Street build rates and we will have a decade of roadworks.

When did distances in the UK go metric?
Not wanting sound like a greengrocer but we do distance stuff in miles.

I suppose going metric makes the numbers sound bigger -- every little helps.

#1 Govan is part of Phase 1.
Yoker to Whiteinch is part of Phase 2 (if there is any money, the way that this is all funded is changing/has changed). Other parts of Dumbarton Rd are in Phases 3 & 5

Place Sun Hours
Aberdeen 1447
Dundee 1461
Edinburgh 1449
Glasgow 1280
Amsterdam 1568

Place Annual Rain
Aberdeen 820
Dundee 734
Edinburgh 700
Glasgow 1370
Amsterdam 858

Glasgow is far wetter and far less sunshine hours than Amsterdam. Which is also highly compact, you would need a Time Machine to 1950 to get the same urban density of Glasgow and Amsterdam.

Thirdly, talking about vehicle emissions is just silly middle class talk, much like cycling unless you are a third world immigrant delivering just eat on a bike.

You can debate the cost/benefit as much as you like but most of them simply don't work well as cycle lanes for serious fast cycle commuters, which is surely the point.

These astronomically high fees should claimed back for incompetence and lack of true aspiration, not to mention the vast physical disruption and cost.

Safer and faster to be in the road than mixed in with rubbish, pedestrians, bus stops, the dreaded and idiotic 'armadillos' etc etc.

Still building car bound development on the city edges while trying to make it impossible to use cars around the city plus diabolically poor public transport and cycle lanes, a good way to waste money, annoy people and ruin the economy of your city all at the same time, especially for small businesses.

Glasgow will remain in the doldrums of transport league division 4 for many years to come unless something changes drastically.

Just we wee note for future reference, folks.

Referring to countries as 'Third World' is widely regarding as offensive. As is assuming that all delivery cyclist are 'third world immigrants'.

Furthermore, when did getting around on a pushbike become the beacon of upper middle class, while owning a car is the sign of a good working class family?

Interesting that some of the contributions above consider cycling to be the preserve of 'immigrants' and the upper middle class. C'mon folks. Racism and classism all over a Govan bikelane...

I dont own a car because I can't afford one.
I own a bicycle because its vastly cheaper and I can.

I also have kids who cycle to school, and I'd much rather they had a safe space away from some of the idiots running late to drop their kids off so stretch 30mph to 35mph save 7 seconds.

Just becuase you dont cycle and cant see the value doesn't mean its wrong.

This is really the nub of the problem, people think if they occasionally use a bike on a short and very poorly laid out cycle lane journey they've already saved themselves, the planet and everyone else.

No real aspiration just a bit of necessity and a lot of virtue signalling.

Namely people are completely missing the point in that I don't think anyone is arguing against cycling, rather it could just be done approximately a 1000 times better than this.

@16 so middle class people preaching healthy lifestyles to working class people is not classist behaviour? Cycle lanes were a lock down hobby and local government fascination that burst. Usage is very low and mainly used by middle class hipsters, middle aged middle class men who love a bit of Lycra and immigrants who deliver food by bike. Mos rid whom are from third world countries. Descriptive not racist. It’s your ilk who likes to strangle all debate and stop all argument against your own narrow POV as bigoted that is a massive problem and why the Democrats failed last week and why the SNP lost all its elections last week as well.

18...
Strangling debate is not the following:
1. Having a different opinion from you. Having a different opinion and sharing it is the essence of a debate.
2. Suggesting the use of the term 'third world', which is now considered an outdated and derogatory, to describe people being inappropriate.
3. Calling you out on the casual racism. You could have just written 'people who deliver food by bike'. Their origin has nothing to do with this debate.

The cycle lane infrastructure in Glasgow is not great. You are right. There are examples where it is verging on the downright dangerous (see the cycle lane which spits people out on the wrong side of the road on a busy set of junctions on Benalder Street. Or the lack of cleaning cycle paths across the city leaving them full of hazards kicked off the pavement and carriageways. The cycle lane on Victoria St which had a missing manhole for a month. Or the terrible segregation of cyclists and people on Sauchiehall Street)

But c'mon now. Lets not try to argue that the provision of a cycle path in Govan is the Left elite trying to force me to cycle my bike to work and take my car from me (which I already dont have because car ownership is too expensive for many families).

Do I support an increase in cycle infrastructure? yes.
Is this plan any good? No.
Is it part of an unfortunate but inevitable learning process? It appears to be the case.
#12 When did the UK go metric? About 40 years ago. I work in construction. I dont measure in yards, feet and inches. Never have. Never will. Nobody does. We'll catch up when it comes to miles/mph one day.

@18. You seem uncapped ration thought.

Cycle use is down, despite hundreds of millions of pounds being wasted on cycle lanes. By “June this year, it had decreased by 33 per cent from its Covid-era peak and, remarkably, was 2.9 per cent lower than pre-pandemic levels in 2019. Those looking for a silver lining will point to figures being up 8 per cent from 2013, but this represents an abysmal rate of return when you consider all the investment into cycling.“

There is very little and clearly decreasing demand for cycling in the Uk, and in Scotland, and especially in working class areas. Why continue to waste public money on a tiny minorities hobby?

As for “causal racism” by calling the 97% of Just Eat and Uber Eats delivery drivers who are born abroad, as third world. You seem to have a problem with facts. Your Karen like anger and shouting is amusing and not at all unexpected. You are one to pity and ignore, given as least amount as oxygen as possible, much like the silly Green infrastructure that sits idle across Scotland: unloved, unwanted and given far too much attention when no one outside a vey narrow demographic wanted it.

Oh, Sven.

You dropped the Karen bomb.

And continued with casual racism.

On yer bike, pal...

#7 - Nonsense that Glasgow is drier then Edinburgh and Aberdeen, it has about twice the amount of rainfall. I am not against folk cycling but we have to be realistic and with it raining most days its a very small percentage of folk that want to get totally soaked venturing out on a bike.
For a council that has no money this is an incredible waste of resources and a tick box exercise by the totally inept Angus Millar who seems intent on wrecking Glasgow.
I travel on Shieldhall Road every day and it is extremely busy, being the artery route for QEUH, Ibrox and other busy centres. To cut out 1 lane and replace it with kerbs and cycle lanes for 3 bikes an hour is crazy and will be self defeating as traffic will only sit idling longer - what an ill thought out scheme.

#14 and #22, I think the Met Office weather stations paint a very different picture:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/scotland-now/scotlands-wettest-places-named-one-32677362#

Roads across Glasgow’s communities have been disrupted by the imposition of cycle lanes on many of our main routes.

Planners have failed to show any evidence of need or demand for these schemes – and ignored the opposition to them by the public.

At a time when budgets are struggling to meet the needs for essential services and projects – it is criminal to fritter millions of our money on these half-baked schemes.

As for the effect on climate change – these changes to accommodate cycle paths – will increase pollution by creating much greater traffic jams on our roads.

Looking at exiting cycle paths across Glasgow – it would appear that spotting a bicycle on them would be rarer than finding a four-leaved clover on the grass verges!

It is time that the flawed ideologies of Glasgow’s planners are replaced by common sense and a large dose of reality.

Alistair Sinclair - Drumoyne